Mein Polo 9N3 => R-Line Cup édition ("I"ndividual)

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This is not a dream.
I'm not dreaming.

I've dyno result and versus other cars the results are corrects.
And what I say is based on measures enough reliable and on real facts. Therefore I do not see where is the dream.

Ah Yes, Finally, I know also some people with OEM thatadvert quite bluffing ... what, I mad actually, personally, I am far from having a engine OEM and I doubt that your theory consideration.

Conclusion, what you think may be just against a engine OEM simply remap. But retires those thoughts to any form that my upgraded.

Without being able to Base your stance on reality, you would like to me a dreamer or a liar.

Have you already saw a 1. 9tdi with the same preparation that me? I doubt if not you would have already reported before.

The future, therefore tries not too nice changes as you decide that you do not know really.

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@ Ulf: I don't really understand what you want like evidence to think my upgrade is really...?

What do you think about a dyno run ?
What do you think about MTM, ABT, B&B and the other ?

[ulf]

@ Ulf: I don't really understand what you want like evidence to think my upgrade is really...?

The remaining Bottleneck of your Engine are the OEM Parts "Injectors" and "Camshaft". Therefore it will be very very difficult (or even impossible) to press 219HP and 477Nm through it. If Your Tuner should have been successful, your Engine would sound terribly at Full Load and will soon break down when frequently being driven at Full Load . . .

What do you think about a dyno run ?

Dyno diagrams can contain all results the Operator wants to create.
http://www.hs-elektronik.com/leistungspruefstand.html

What do you think about MTM, ABT, B&B and the other ?

Nothing special without having seen a TDI Tunig File from there.
From one of those guys I know some Tuning Files -> I laughed loudly on comparing it with his promised Nm und HP Gain . . .

However, further Discussion will bring us no more forward, therefore let's come to an End here.

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Indeed. Otherwise, i support your contention on the camshaft but a bigger boost pressure compensates for this.
Concerning injectors, they have the opportunity to work more and especially longer without be destroyed.
The 1.9 diesel is quite tough as engine.
Simple design, 8 valves and sohc which provides good performance by allowing one Turbo hybrid of work in good conditions.

We told what is a dyno test.
In my case, what are only a reflection of reality because calibrated correctly and the data is verified by various tests against other vehicles which, if the HP and NM were present, would be ahead. That is where the main.

Whatever your knowledge, you do what you want.
After all this is our capital on Earth.
However, Needless to say that it is of dreams because you have proven that me about our respective claims.

Good evening to you, Ulf.

[Dieselaktivist]

First of all, I would fully agree to Ulf that it´s nearly impossible to gain that much power with the OEM injectors, because at the beginning, power comes from fuel injected and the oxygen thats avialable. I believe that yout charger is capable to build up enough pressure. But there is a point when the injectors come to an end regarding the injection quantity per time. I my point of view there are two possibilities to raise the power regarding the PD elements. Equal injection time and more injection pressure OR Equal injection pressure and a longer injection time... Am I right at this point (we are NOT regarding the pressure of the charger right now!) ?

Regarding the diameter of the injection-nozzles you can tell that more diameter should bring better results. You may force the element to inject alot more than normally by changing the ECU map, thats for sure... But who can tell how long this would last, like I wrote experience tells not to go further than ~180PS...

Even with my 2.0TDI 16V I am afraid to go beyond 187PS just because of the OEM elements, because the stress increases rapidly.

To say a few words to the dyno: You can get any results you want (like Ulf said...the smile-factor). Can you tell me how do you know that the operator of the dyno didn´t make any mistake?

I understand if you say the power is there because I´ve driven against other cars,thats something that makes me curios...

To make that clear, I am not saying that you are a liar and I do not want to offend you, but in my point of view it seems very unlikely that you reached those results you posted. I wonder why your gearbox isn´t damaged because as far as I know they are only capable for 350Nm?!

On the other hand you wrote that the fuel comsumption at full load is about 18Liters, so that must to be injected somehow...

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I could understand what you say.
Where I cannot give more information through computer records, you must maintain positions or admit that to be possible.

This is not Ulf which says that it is what is a Dyno , it is me .
How i know if my not misled? Simply because these are good knowledge who this.

Why buy a Dyno ? it is after all.
Vag-Com it is much better and owning cheaper.

And then a 1.9 diesel from VW maximum 180ch it is on as i said about polo9n info.
After all the first engine F1 were not 1500cc for more than 1000 HP...

Fun in your reactions well-founded but by no means based on evidence.

However, if you get off in Belgium with a 1.9 or 2.0 TDI with remap (unde­sired for you => 180 / 187hp) could you tell me, I won't Miss you prove my contention.
(I do not know you but I am less than an hour of Aachen)

In the meantime, no need to fester this post and have good time.

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[ulf]

I my point of view there are two possibilities to raise the power regarding the PD elements. Equal injection time and more injection pressure OR Equal injection pressure and a longer injection time... Am I right at this point (we are NOT regarding the pressure of the charger right now!) ?

Regarding the diameter of the injection-nozzles you can tell that more diameter should bring better results. You may force the element to inject alot more than normally by changing the ECU map, thats for sure... But who can tell how long this would last, like I wrote experience tells not to go further than ~180PS...

Die "longer injection time" ist beim PD-Motor wiederum nur im Rahmen der steigenden Flanke des PDE-Fördernockens möglich. Eine noch längere PDE-Öffnungszeit geht daher völlig ins Leere.

Weißt Du zufällig, wie lange die Förderflanke der 1,9er EDC15-TDIs ist (von x° vOT bis y° nOT, oder könntet Ihr irgendwann mal eine NW vermessen? AFAIK haben alle 1,9er PD-TDIs (ohne DPF) die gleiche NW, aber ich habe leider keine geeingeten Werkzeuge zum Vermessen.
Aus der Länge der Förderflanke und der jeweiligen MSG-Software könnte man dann recht genau die maximal mögliche Einspritzmenge für jede Drehzahl berechnen, und daraus wieder die absoluten hardwareseitigen Grenzen fürs Tuning - und das wäre interessant, um die Glaubwüdigkeit von Extremdaten wie z.B. hier gegenzuprüfen.

[fl0rian]

Einfach nur geil die Karre

[sloi]

Egal wie viel PS die Kiste hat. Er sieht richtig gut aus!...