Mein Polo 9N3 => R-Line Cup édition ("I"ndividual)

[gigas19]

how much Hp would you gain if you put IC from Cupra?

[helgemania]

No HP without Chiptuning. With the bigger IC your engine lives longer.

[gigas19]

i ahve chiped it , but now im thinking about changing the ic

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If you change your IC, you must re-chip after this placement.

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I forget this information
I have this too


This is a Limited Slip Differential from Quaife. It cost between 700 and 800 £.
It's necessary to pass the HP and torque to the road.

The finally cost for this upgrade is up to 6500euro.

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477NM each month new tires

Oh, my last was more bad for the tires...

My last was








Bigger upgrade stock on 225HP to 353HP and 462Nm.

[helgemania]

It looks like the Sport edition from the quattro GmbH with 240 PS.

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The Audi TT Quattro Sport is 240HP but it painted in two colors.
Here is just 225 Quattro mit PPi-design (Fellbach in Germany) program.


Good...Back to my Polo:

Here is the rear bar from Forgemotorsport:



Here is my left rear light without the red-fog (the red part was destroy and I put one red leds bulb)


I just put white leds bulb



It's all for time.

[ulf]

Tatsächlich ist dies eine TDI-130 aktualisiert.

Ich habe dies:

Seat Ibiza Cupra air intake and BMC (or K&N) airfilter.

A Forge Intercooler (for Seat Ibiza Cupra too)

A complete Milltek exhaust (with modifications in the end.)

A SACHS clutch up to 500Nm

and the hybrid turbo:

Naturally we put an other reprogrammation in the ECU.
The result:219HP and 477Nm

Habt Ihr auch größere PDE verbaut (bigger Diesel Injectors)?

[Dieselaktivist]

Hmm I tought my setup is cool, but now I see that there is someone else beyond the sea Have you measured the air temperature after the intercooler? I think you have VAG-COM so would you please do me a favour and look that up in the measurement blocks when you have time for? Look in my thread "2.0TDI im Polo" I´ve installed the intercooler from T5, the cooling net fits behind the middle intake of the Cup bumper like it´s even made just for that one
Would be my recommendation tough... :-)

Did you upgrade to the Sachs clutch kit just because you know that the old one wouldn´t withstand the forces that would occur there or did you actually mention some "slipping" while driving? Does the Sachs clutch have a bigger diameter?
With this setup I am worried (maybe just like Ulf) that the injection nozzles or even the whole injectionelement is incapable injecting such higher quantities of fuel / or even higher pressures for a long period of time... I know cases when injectors cracked and blew up because of "chiptuning" after driving a few 1000 kilometers...
Experience tells that one shouldn´t go beyond ~180PS with the original ones..

Did you change the ECU map on your own on a dyno? I think you had to because of the new charger... Can you estimate your fuel comsumption when you drive normally in the city or/and outside? (I mean not faster than 100km/h)

By the way... nice ride....

@Ulf: könnte er die PD´s vom ARL nehmen oder ist das eine andere Generation, die Kiste müsste doch EDC16 haben oder?

[ulf]

@Ulf: könnte er die PD´s vom ARL nehmen oder ist das eine andere Generation, die Kiste müsste doch EDC16 haben oder?

Die mir bekannten 130PS TDIs im 9N(3) haben alle die EDC15.
Der ASZ hat(te) schon ab Werk die ARL-PDE, die BLT-Software weist auf etwas kleinere PDE hin, die natürlich die max. ereichbare Leistung bzw. Drehmomente entsprechend früher begrenzen.

If you change your IC, you must re-chip after this placement.

No: If the Software is good, it will work well with all IC Sizes.

1. For the effect of various IC is equal to different Ambient Temperatures:
Full Power @ -20°C with the Stock SMIC may lead to the same CAT (Charge Air Temp) as Full Power @ +30°C with a big FMIC

2. If the Charge Air is too hot, the Software should automatically reduce the Power in order to avoid damage to the Motor, regardless of the IC Size

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@ Deus Violentia:
Hum... the OEM injectors take without problem this upgrade.
Throughput (injection) is increased in the maximum of 15%.
On the front intercooler air induction around 30 °C currently. (actually but without rain)
The pressure of Turbo is greater than 2,550bars (limit data sensor) and limited to 2,850bars in the ECU. (EDC15+)

For the clutch, I never have some slip because I put all the part of the upgrade in one time.
This part is not bigger than OEM part, just different. (cross from and press plate harder)

In normal drive my consumption does not exceed 6l / 100kms.
By resetting the computer, and hard drive, consumption to 17 - 18L / 100kms

And I've got this upgrade since 14000 kilometers and I change my oil and filter all 7500 kilometers.

@Ulf: Yes of course but it's better to remap after to have the optimized gain.

[ulf]

the OEM injectors take without problem this upgrade.
Throughput (injection) is increased in the maximum of 15%.

Does that mean you have 15% more Injection Quantity (IQ) at Maximum? This leads to 365 Nm / 150 HP
For the Engine Power cannot rise faster than the IQ; the greater Turbo and IC will only prevent a Decrease of the Engine's Efficiency (Ratio of HP per IQ)

Input concerning Dyno Diagrams:
viewtopic.php?f=100&t=12000

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I don't really understand.
This % is that I see in my ECU with Dimsport program.

How could U tell 15% of IC is 150HP and 365Nm ?
U affirm that and while to upgrade is not a science

Anyway, my remap is proportional to the changes and was controlled by several different persons.
In addition, the IC is not the only factor changed ...

(I did not have the opportunity to go 2 hours see this and therefore my precision to the reprogramming is relatively poor.)

The pressure of Turbo is increased in the order of 0, 500bars which is not possible with a turboprop of origin and the hybrid turbo give a lot of other things than OEM turbo ... not just prevent a Decrease of the Engine's Efficiency.

[ulf]

I don't really understand.
This % is that I see in my ECU with Dimsport program.

How could U tell 15% of IC is 150HP and 365Nm ?

OEM: 100% IQ is 310 NM / 130 HP
Your Tuning: 115% IQ is 365 Nm / 150 HP

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How do U find that ? You could not do that: 100% = 130HP therefore 115% = 150/100 * 115 = 149,5HP
On a OEM 1.9TDi 130 maybe but not on my upgraded engine.

The IQ is not the only change for a remap !?
In the remap, we must change a lot of data based on file adress.
A lot of OEM limits are increased. (Injection/boost pressure/smoke sensor/...)
In this case we could by-pass the EGR at 100% too

...

(Personnaly, I need time to learn generally map of ECU after this I look for my.)


PS: I have tested my car Vs other... the 219HP and 477Nm are there.

[ulf]

How do U find that ? You could not do that: 100% = 130HP therefore 115% = 150/100 * 115 = 149,5HP

Correct, but I dindnt want to post "half Horses"

The IQ is not the only change for a remap !?
In the remap, we must change a lot of data based on file adress.
A lot of OEM limits are increased. (Injection/boost pressure/smoke sensor/...)

This is the normal Workaround for getting the IQ raised without big Smoke Clouds . . .
If you have a Diagnostic Toot like VAGCOM, you could do some Datalogging for obtainings facts

PS: I have tested my car Vs other... the 219HP and 477Nm are there.

Maybe . . . how many sec. do you need from 2000 to 4000 rpm in 3.gear (WOT beginning at ~ 1300 rpm), which velocity is indicated at 4000 rpm, and what is the weight of your Polo during this test?

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In fact U could to say that my upgrade is like a wind shot*.
...but your "theory" with 100% IQ = 130HP and 115% IQ = 149,5HP is*.

You write: "This is the normal Workaround for getting the IQ raised without big Smoke Clouds . . ."

but this is not only to avoid a cloud of smoke, it is also for the 15% of IQ correspond to something other than your simple calculation.
In addition, I have a great doubt on the resistance Turbo of origin with 0.5 bars pressure more ...
I have the impression that we have two very different theories. One based on a baby calculation and on measures taken and made by two differents professional.

Therefore, respect our theories respective without fester this topic.


Thank U

[ulf]

I have the impression that we have two very different theories. One based on a baby calculation and on measures taken and made by two differents professional.

I know some TDI Softwares announced for more than 400 Nm / 200 HP, but in the Software everyone (who has the Know-How) could see that the Reality was something about 340 Nm / 170HP.

Those Car Owners naturally refuse to believe in that poor Tuning Effect, as they "feel each Nm and HP" and had paid lots of Money for the Software. So they prefer to dream on, supported by some Dyno Operators who are specialized in generating Diagrams with large "Smile Factors" (and they are quite successful in doing that, as many people want those diagrams for each of their "tuned" cars . . .).

Back to your Polo: With the OEM Camshaft and OEM Injectors it is indeed almost "Baby calculation" to tell the real Performance, when some well defined Diagnostic Data are available - and that was one of my Suggestions above.
When You refuse to give us that Data, it's your decision, and I respect it.
But then it's my decision to believe that you are probably one more of those Dreamers . . .

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This is not a dream.
I'm not dreaming.

I've dyno result and versus other cars the results are corrects.
And what I say is based on measures enough reliable and on real facts. Therefore I do not see where is the dream.

Ah Yes, Finally, I know also some people with OEM thatadvert quite bluffing ... what, I mad actually, personally, I am far from having a engine OEM and I doubt that your theory consideration.

Conclusion, what you think may be just against a engine OEM simply remap. But retires those thoughts to any form that my upgraded.

Without being able to Base your stance on reality, you would like to me a dreamer or a liar.

Have you already saw a 1. 9tdi with the same preparation that me? I doubt if not you would have already reported before.

The future, therefore tries not too nice changes as you decide that you do not know really.